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You had me at chronic sloucher.

Thank you of reminding me of the bodymind approach to RSI's. I needed that nudge.

Perhaps the failure of mind over body in this case comes from the nature of the injury -- this injury to the biceps tendon was the result of a specific trauma and not an RSI, correct? Chronically poor biomechanics + acute injury seems like it could lead to 'chronic' pain.

Hope the PT or *something* works for you soon.

Chiropractor fixed my shoulder pain caused by a minor disk bulge in my neck (because I'm a sloucher) that two rounds of physical therapy could not. He also fix my mis aligned hip problem that I knew I had, but imagined that surgery would be the only answer.

Just sayin....

Oh man. Your spirits sound pretty good, considering these chronic things can be so depressing.
I'm thinking, maybe you have to do some PT, THEN read the book, and then your brain will fall into place.
Good luck and hang in there!

I totally watched the RSI olympics on NBC. You kicked ass, my friend. You're the Michael Phelps of RSI.
I have a nice, snarky relationship with my physical therapist. I was born with club feet so I have a lot of things wrong with my legs, and I make the time at PT pass by commenting on my therapist's ties and his choice in television (there's always either ESPN or Verminators on. nothing good). So my advice here is to bug your physical therapist a lot, so you'll feel better that he/she is totally delivering pain to your body. Yup.

I read part of a John Sarno book. A lot of what he says makes sense. I DO notice that I have sciatica issues when I am stressed about something - even in the complete and total absence of any physical aggravator. But I tried once to just tell myself to cut it out with the back pain already. Let's go! And my body said, essentially, "Fuck you. Lie down now, bitch!" And so I did. My approach now involves respecting what my body is telling me (Sarno seemed to be saying to ignore it) and taking some time for myself. So I guess I'm saying that the physical therapy thing might compliment Sarno's ideas (even though he'd disagree with me). It might be beneficial to try thinking about whatever issues you have on your mind while you do the therapy, thereby directing your mind and your body towards the same goal. Or not. Either way, I hope you feel better soon. :)

If you suspect it is psychological, or really even if it's not, hypnosis could help. I've been hypnotizing myself since I was a kid after reading a couple books about it from the library, and I used a childbirth hypnosis program to get through 2 births (and plan to use it on the next one).
Hypnosis has a big crazy reputation, but it's really just another flavor of relaxation, and then when you get really relaxed and in that dreamy state, it's a nice quiet time to have a talk with your body. I was fascinated when I read that people experience much faster healing after surgery if they do a little hypnosis before they go under the knife, just to brief their bodies on what's about to happen and assure their bodies that this knife cutting them is not an attack and they don't need to launch any big counter-attacks.

Good luck at physical therapy-I've seen it help a whole lot more people than I've seen it hurt!

I read Sarno to try to deal with the upper-back pain that has plagued me for three years (I am an editor and writer, so no doubt it is work-related). I wish I could say my pain disappeared. But it didn't. Oh well, Sarno was no more or less use than the four PTs, three massage therapists, two Pilates instructors, and eight world-class pain physicians I saw, and he was a lot less expensive. Only thing that helped: Klonopin.

I still have the Sarno books on my shelf and look at them longingly. I know I've got total rage issues, but for some reason acknowledging them didn't stop the pain.

Okay, I have nothing funny to say...Mainly because I went through (almost) exactly the same thing. For two years I could not raise my hands beyond my chest area. I had terrible pain in my neck and down my upper back. I had horrible burning, numbing, and tingling sensations from my forearm to my fingers. I was finally diagnosed with cubital tunnel syndrome and the thoracic blah, blah, blah. I had EMT's galore, which SUCK! After trying acupuncture, rolfing, myofacial release massage, PT, and going to Sarno's protege who is a friend and works here in Los Angeles (whom I love btw), I was convinced by a few doctors that the only way to prevent permanent nerve damage was to have the nerve in my elbow surgically transposed. Sucky surgery, hard cast, painful, very slow recovery. It helped... a bit. BUT WHAT REALLY HELPED...WHAT I'M CONVINCED WOULD HAVE KEPT ME FROM NEEDING SURGERY HAD I ONLY DISCOVERED IT SOONER...WAS SOMETHING CALLED THE FELDENKRAIS METHOD. My Sarno protege doctor totally supports this. It's about awareness of your body and the way it's supposed to move (which is very different from the way we actually move it.) There is therapy and then you do exercises at home and learn to move correctly when doing things like driving, opening doors, SITTING AT THE COMPUTER. I've been doing it for two years now and I AM SO MUCH BETTER. I SWEAR BY IT.
Google it. It was developed by a guy named Moshe Feldenkrais. Don't let the name scare you. It rocks. (BTW: WHen I had the first surgery, I was told by the surgeons that I would definitely need the surgery in my other arm as well. It's been over two years and I do NOT need the surgery.) Good luck. I know what you're going through.

OH, no, don't worry - it's not your brain. You're just getting REALLY OLD.

See, old people take waaaaay longer to heal.

I'm pretty sure you can actually get your brain removed and put in some sort of jar. You'll be stored at NASA, of course, but we'll still be able to e-mail.

The older we get, the tighter we get and the more injury-prone. I would definitely recommend some gentle yoga classes. Yoga also clues you in to how one part of the body is (adversely) affecting another, so you can zero in on the real problem.

Have you every considered acupuncture? True story: my ballet instructor completely shattered her ankle and was told (after it healed) that she would never walk again, let alone continue her dancing career. But then as a last resort, she went to acupuncture, and literally skipped out of the office.
Kind of extreme, but it's seriously awesome, and it applies to your idea of brain blocking ness to self, since the needles apparently release blocked energy in your body.

Constant pain is bad. My sister has constant pain (firbromyalgia) and I can't believe what it does to a person's life. I hope you get better soon. What the hell kind of screwed up evolutionary adaptation pain is.

I had total arm numbness and agonizing pain when I was pregnant and then I had the baby and then I was all better.

I was swollen like a mofo. I think that was it. I never even went to the doctor for it, thanks to the internet telling me that when you swell up like a giant pregnant balloon you also get carpal tunnel and nothing can be done. I have lots of internal rage though so you are scaring me a little.

Your acupuncture story still haunts me so I will not suggest this nor any other alternative therapy.(I love acupuncture. You couldn't have gone to an acupuncturist trained in China, could you have? They know what they are doing. But God, I remember the horror you went through, there! So you'd be crazy to go back.)

Try Yoga. It not only relieves body pains by working on stretching the body gently, but also is a great mental healer. Peace in the mind means peace in the body. The old body mind connection.

Alice, there's this book I re-read every time I am starting a new book project.

It's called "The War of Art" by Steven Pressfield. The book is all about resistance and the ways we create resistance when we are embarking on something big, creative and fulfilling in our lives. He talks a lot about how our bodies manifest pain and sickness to keep us from achieving our goals.

Okay, maybe this bastard is totally physical, in which case, get thee to a doctor or acupuncturist or brain surgeon or whatever just in case, but going with the brain idea, maybe it is an even bigger block to a writing project that is even bigger than the others, more important to you, etc. Maybe you needed a lot of resistance to get you to back away from something you really want to accomplish or finish.

Oh, what the hell do I know? But I believe this mind over pain think works, too. Especially for artists and writers who are in their head with their neuroses and fears a lot.

No matter where it comes from, Alice, I hope you feel better soon!

Kim

Um, maybe it all has to do with all that you're dealing with recently. Even though each situation individually may seem manageable, all together they could create one heck of a stressload. Miscarriage, depression, selling one house, looking for another, a child changing schools soon, work projects, etc.

For me, I tend to internalize stress and it comes out eventually in one kind of illness or another. Maybe that's what's going on with you.

As I read through the first few paragraphs of this entry, I was thinking to myself, "I'm going to write her an email and let her know about Dr. Sarno" ... and then I reached the fourth graf.

I was suffering from unbelievable shoulder/arm pain for, like, two years. Tons of physical therapy. Couldn't raise my arm to reach for anything above mid-torso. Motion x-ray (taken after injecting a dye into my shoulder joint, which was done by first hitting me up with a series of successively deeper novocaine injections until they could slide the horse needle into my shoulder joint, which still hurt like a bitch), full battery of MRI scans.

I went to two different orthopedic surgeons, neither of whom could say definitively what was causing my pain, and both of whom suggested surgery nonetheless. Since I was already maniacal from the chronic pain to the point that I was ready to jam a steak knife into my own shoulder, I was ready to submit to surgery ... but decided to read Dr. Sarno's "Mindbody Prescription" first.

It cured me.

The pain returns sometimes ... and I know it's bullshit ... and then it goes away within a day or two.

EVERYONE should read this book.

I may be a desenting opinion here, I am very much about modern medicine. With that being said, I'm just saying, give the medical route a chance to work. If you go into PT thinking it's not going to work, it won't. And if you go in open minded and you don't see improvement in a few weeks, you can always move on to something else.

Sometimes it is your mind and sometimes, it really is an injury. I am a massage therapist (9 years and counting) and you get a good feel for when something has an emotional component and when something is just physically fucked up.

I would recommend getting a massage from an experienced massage therapist and seeing a chiropractor in addition to your PT.

Too bad you were turned off of acupuncture. If you have a trusted friend who knows an excellent one, I would give it another try.

Blogs are so strange when they align with an issue in your life. I had to have PT for sciatica (I travel a lot for business), and it went away after a few sessions. Now, several months later, I have had a weird twitchy pain in that same vein for the past week. I haven't been flying, but I am stressed to the max. I am looking into that book, will research merlotmom's suggestion, and whatever else comes up in comments. What fantastic timing! Thanks to Alice and her readers for giving me direction!

My illnesses are similarly ridiculously influenced by my own expectations. I got a very bad stomach bug last week - came down with it at the hospital, where I work. One of the other residents told me I needed to go home, but assured me that the bug that was going around was bad but quick. Thus, I recovered from the stomach flu in only 12 hours. Not that I was 100% better, but I stopped puking in those first 12 hours. Because it was a quick bug. Because my friend had said so. Come to think of it, I may start seeing her for all of my illnesses. I'll be the healthiest person ever or at least the quickest to recover...

Find a yoga class.

Breathe.

Get oxygen into all those tight places and your body (and your world) will begin to expand. It's life-saving.

I swear my muscles have atrophied into the shape of me hunching over the keyboard for 1,000 years. Yoga would kill a person like me. So, in January, I feel daring and throw on some boxing gloves with my little buddy. I bought him a professional punching bag to help him work through some frustrations he was going through. It's fun ... I go for what, 3 minutes total, maybe? It took, uhm, 6-7 months for my muscles to recover from the shock. That, my friend, was real pain. However, I am ordering that book ... I can't wait to read it.

Okay - here's my 2 cents.

I had not dissimilar issues when I was getting married (1999) and then pregnant with my first (2003). Really excruciating pain in my hands and legs. And someone recommended Sarno while I was pregnant, and it made a WORLD of difference. Tension's a bitch, ya know.

Fast forward to 18 months ago. I bent over to get my purse, and my back and right hip went *twang*. That's never a good thing to hear. I went through PT, and they decided to treat the hip symptoms. I kept getting a little better then getting a lot worse, until finally someone got me in for an MRI. And I learned that my back (not my mind or my hip) had failed me. A completely herniated disk, 3 bulging disks and, to quote my doctor, "a 60 year old spine in a 40 year old body." No amount of kicking my brain in the ass was going to fix the physical damage. So one cortisone shot and some seriously hard PT combined with pilates, and I can walk upright again. It's awesome.

If you really tore/damaged a tendon, you are going to need to address the physical piece. I'm betting that you'll get a lot of therapeutic massage early on, just to help the area unfreeze. After that, see how it goes - if the PT is helping after 6 sessions, then it probably will continue to help. But if you keep re-injuring yourself, you should absolutely try another avenue. Whether that's therapeutic massage, the Alexander method, chiropracty, osteopathy, or acupuncture - or all of the above - you do need to heal the physical piece this time. Sorry.

And yeah, it's been 18 months now and I am just about to "graduate" from PT. Be prepared for the long-haul on stuff like this. It isn't speedy. Good luck.

I was always really skeptical of all that chiropractic BS. "Oh sure," I thought, "and perhaps I should rub some eye of newt on my malfunctioning, pain-riddled hips and knees while I'm at it!" And then I tried it. The chiropractor, not the eye of newt. Well, dayum. It worked. It really worked. I am still shocked that it worked and looking for the trickery. But, lo, there is no trickery in yonder hills. Or nearby hills for that matter. It really worked. Anyway, worth a try, especially since 2 years of pain sounds like it really sucked!

I also hear (but cannot attest) that acupuncture works great, too.

Good luck! Get better!

I was always really skeptical of all that chiropractic BS. "Oh sure," I thought, "and perhaps I should rub some eye of newt on my malfunctioning, pain-riddled hips and knees while I'm at it!" And then I tried it. The chiropractor, not the eye of newt. Well, dayum. It worked. It really worked. I am still shocked that it worked and looking for the trickery. But, lo, there is no trickery in yonder hills. Or nearby hills for that matter. It really worked. Anyway, worth a try, especially since 2 years of pain sounds like it really sucked!

I also hear (but cannot attest) that acupuncture works great, too.

Good luck! Get better!

PS - I am just now seeing some of the acupuncture comments. Oops! Never mind abotu that!

Dearest Alice,

Clearly your mind does not want you to deal with this, and has therefore shut off oxygen to the area of your brain that COULD effectively deal with this. In short your brain is attacking itself, or as we in the brain poking industry like to say, “gone cannibal.”

I wish you luck.

Hungrily,
Joe

Might I suggest accupuncture? I know, it sounds weird, but I have this neck/back issue that flares up all the time, but especially when I'm stressed out. The only thing that has ever worked (not massage, not heat, not cold, not physical therapy, not drugs) is accupuncture. I asked the nice lady why, and she just made some comment about Western medicine. But I swear, it is so good.

I'm an Occupational Therapist, and I can tell you several things:

The mind is often stronger than our pain, but not always. Orthopedic and musculoskeletal injuries are not just in our heads, and pain is our body's way of communicating. That said, pain does not equal gain. This is a myth. Pain is the body's way of saying "knock it the fuck off!" and encouraging rest and healing.

The biceps tendon does not have a great blood supply to begin with, so it will always be a slow healer. It is a major player in the rotator cuff grouping of muscles, and is easily injured, but slow to heal. It is practically impossible to rest the arm enough to promote speedy healing. Keep seeing your PT, do your exercises, and DO NOT push yourself!!

If you need an ergonomics assessment for your computer set up, I'm your girl! Make sure you take 15 minutes of stretch/rest break for every hour at the computer. This means walk away. Far away. Stretch, rest, do anything but sit slumped over your computer!

Dearest Alice,

Clearly the poster above is what we in the brain poking industry like to call "scooters." If you want your brain to stop feeding on ITSELF, thenyou MUST give it what it craves; someone ELSE’S brains. How you obtain these is up to you but it's imperative that you begin feeding on human brains immediately. I cannot stress this enough. FEED ON BRAINS. Quickly! Go! Now!

Mensa-ly,
Joe

I've had RSI in both wrists for over ten years and I'm on the computer all day, every day and a writer.

I have been surgery and pain free since I started using these two tools: a Kinesis Pro Advantage keyboard and a Wacom pen tablet instead of a mouse. Set the tablet preferences to "mouse mode" and it will work the same. You hold the pen like...a pen. No pain like with the mouse. The keyboard is truly ergonomic, not like the others that force your hands up, which is wrong.

http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm but www.officeorganix.com may have it cheaper.

http://www.wacom.com/bambootablet/bamboofun.php

they are pricey but worth every penny!!!

It's very hard to outsmart your own brain, but kudos to you for trying. Feel better soon.

I definitely think we have some control over how we feel, even physically...but since it seems you are stuck going to therapy, maybe it will help to just try to envision the therapy helping you, and it will.

I'm with Joe. You should consume more of other people's brains since you give so much of yours away.
Great post! I hope you get better soon, no matter what means you choose.

There is a researcher at Northwestern University who found that many people were being misdiagnosed with chronic bladder pain. The pain is actually being caused by pain in the colon. The article is at http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2008/10/klumpppizza.html.
So possibly chronic bladder pain may be reduced by changing your diet....? I dunno but just desperately wanted to be useful. I'll go back to my cave now.

John Sarno. The man has his own chalet in the um, ski resort of my mind.

3 words: chiropractor, chiropractor, chiropractor.

Find a good one somehow, because there definitely are quacks out there. Massage will also help and yoga. Try Formula 303, a homeopathic muscle relaxant. Try relaxation methods like the Alexander technique. Ask the chiropractor if you need foot levelers, a lot of times these problems start in your feet and go from there.

Good luck with that.

If you really did tear part of your bicep or surrounding tendons, it actually will take a while to heal. And an injury is very different from a chronic syndrome. Cut your brain some slack.

If the pain is coming from your colon as mentioned by earlier poster, I would highly recommend Colonix. This is a colon cleanser that works. I have been doing it for the last 2 months, it is really disgusting to see how much yuck is in you. I know it is gross, but check out their website.

I injured my bicep tendon this summer (looks around frantically, hushed voice) um...studying for the bar exam.

Yes folks, thats right. Sitting in a chair, hunched over, for 14-16 hours a day can in fact cause your bicep tendon to shrink, and your neck to kink up and pinch nerves and now I'm in a boatload of physical therapy that luckily, seems to be working.

But the embarrassment of injuring myself studying for a test lingers.

I read Sarno and had the same experience - when the pain doesn't go away, I just think my body is getting better at fooling with me.

Anyway, I hope you feel better!

I read Sarno and had the same experience - when the pain doesn't go away, I just think my body is getting better at fooling with me.

Anyway, I hope you feel better!

You do have a lot of symptoms. Take some time off, maybe you need time to relax. It may be good for you mentally and physically. If the pain is still there, then maybe you may need to have it checked. Wish you the best!

Wooo-hooo! I am also a John Sarno recoveree with a traitorous brain. What a great doctor.

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